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		<title>Comment on Importance of Social Norms in Product Development by Jake</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/08/04/importance-of-social-norms-in-product-development/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any work has both social and market norms. The problem of balance is very difficult to solve b/c each person will have a different level of comfort with the social/market norm balance, and each person\&#039;s preferred level of balance will change throughout life as personal changes (marriage, children) adjust the desired levels.

In the past, employers and workers shared a social bond, i.e. people felt loyalty to their companies and worked their entire lives for a single employer. Today, work (in technology particularly) has become a capitalist commodity to be bought (by the employer) and sold (by the worker). This reality forces change.

There is a tradeoff between social and market norms. It\&#039;s compensation. More empowerment is frequently balanced with less compensation. So, again it becomes each person\&#039;s individual preference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any work has both social and market norms. The problem of balance is very difficult to solve b/c each person will have a different level of comfort with the social/market norm balance, and each person\&#8217;s preferred level of balance will change throughout life as personal changes (marriage, children) adjust the desired levels.</p>
<p>In the past, employers and workers shared a social bond, i.e. people felt loyalty to their companies and worked their entire lives for a single employer. Today, work (in technology particularly) has become a capitalist commodity to be bought (by the employer) and sold (by the worker). This reality forces change.</p>
<p>There is a tradeoff between social and market norms. It\&#8217;s compensation. More empowerment is frequently balanced with less compensation. So, again it becomes each person\&#8217;s individual preference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hardwares and Softwares by Kib lal</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/06/06/hardwares-and-softwares/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Kib lal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, given how much of a nerd you are. your comp rig is not the least bit impressive. A 19 inch 4:3, WTF! The wide screen revolution has passed you by my friend. I would advice you to chug along with the AMD till Nehalem is out.

And GO MAC already, unless you think your not cool enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, given how much of a nerd you are. your comp rig is not the least bit impressive. A 19 inch 4:3, WTF! The wide screen revolution has passed you by my friend. I would advice you to chug along with the AMD till Nehalem is out.</p>
<p>And GO MAC already, unless you think your not cool enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Six Degrees of Separation 2.0 and Product Development 2.0 by Kib lal</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/04/28/six-degrees-of-separation-20-and-product-development-20/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Kib lal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It\&#039;s easy to be astonished by the concept that me and G.W.Bush are connected by just 6 intermediates(Though I am not thrilled about being associated with that man in anyway), but it can be easily explained but the mathematical statistics and a few back of the envelope calculations .

The average person(Person A) knows about 300 people on a first name basis. Lets suppose Person B, who is among Person A\&#039;s 300, has 150 exclusive contacts that are not in Person A\&#039;s 300 nodes. And every person in the chain similarly has 150 exclusive contacts. So by the time you get to person F you have 150^6=11390625000000. And the world has only 6.5 billion people! It\&#039;s a small world after all. Real small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It\&#8217;s easy to be astonished by the concept that me and G.W.Bush are connected by just 6 intermediates(Though I am not thrilled about being associated with that man in anyway), but it can be easily explained but the mathematical statistics and a few back of the envelope calculations .</p>
<p>The average person(Person A) knows about 300 people on a first name basis. Lets suppose Person B, who is among Person A\&#8217;s 300, has 150 exclusive contacts that are not in Person A\&#8217;s 300 nodes. And every person in the chain similarly has 150 exclusive contacts. So by the time you get to person F you have 150^6=11390625000000. And the world has only 6.5 billion people! It\&#8217;s a small world after all. Real small.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Support 2.0 by Sunil</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/03/24/self-support-20/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that says &quot;Hey user, my friend, you are not doing this activity , please do this first. OR like ..&quot;hi, I will giude you how to close your books, lets start with AP Trial Balance..and by the way systems will be down after 1 hour for 10 minutes&quot;. Is ot that impossible for these 100 billion USD revenue coompanies??

- Have you tried new days software/sites like CD rippers or &#039;Build a wiki sites&#039;...you are guided to do..and thats what every body love in this world. A system &#039;assume&#039; the user to be &#039;intelligent&#039;for the system, it should just support him/her to do his task - be it copying a CD, playing a song (apple), withdrawing money from ATM,  or closing the ERP Books.An IT system is just a matter of time, tomorrow some new system and replaces todays.This is its destiniy - it should never humiliate the users for the purpose of its existence. 

Oracle makes a lot of money from making complex system doesnot means that its justified. Politicians also spent a lot of money in building roads and bridges, which, with time, keep on costing more and more making the politicians/cotractors richer and richer.

 Yes, ERP really benefits as they help in tracking, monitoring, contrlling, reporting, accessing, securing and playing with the data. But what I think is that its not the WEB that is going to help to improve them,its the owner companies which have to innovate themselves. Eg. Yahoo and MSN mails was worlds best
till the time Gmail came. All were free, but simple concepts of gmails and its user friendly approach was well accepted by the audience - like the related mail feature, or search feature, or chat with your buddy in the mail - this must have given a bang on the head of yahoo/MSN teams and so they too copied.tomorrow somebody will innovate more and improve the user experince. Idea is simple - let the user be free to do more thinking elsewhere - make system as simple as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that says &#8220;Hey user, my friend, you are not doing this activity , please do this first. OR like ..&#8221;hi, I will giude you how to close your books, lets start with AP Trial Balance..and by the way systems will be down after 1 hour for 10 minutes&#8221;. Is ot that impossible for these 100 billion USD revenue coompanies??</p>
<p>- Have you tried new days software/sites like CD rippers or &#8216;Build a wiki sites&#8217;&#8230;you are guided to do..and thats what every body love in this world. A system &#8216;assume&#8217; the user to be &#8216;intelligent&#8217;for the system, it should just support him/her to do his task &#8211; be it copying a CD, playing a song (apple), withdrawing money from ATM,  or closing the ERP Books.An IT system is just a matter of time, tomorrow some new system and replaces todays.This is its destiniy &#8211; it should never humiliate the users for the purpose of its existence. </p>
<p>Oracle makes a lot of money from making complex system doesnot means that its justified. Politicians also spent a lot of money in building roads and bridges, which, with time, keep on costing more and more making the politicians/cotractors richer and richer.</p>
<p> Yes, ERP really benefits as they help in tracking, monitoring, contrlling, reporting, accessing, securing and playing with the data. But what I think is that its not the WEB that is going to help to improve them,its the owner companies which have to innovate themselves. Eg. Yahoo and MSN mails was worlds best<br />
till the time Gmail came. All were free, but simple concepts of gmails and its user friendly approach was well accepted by the audience &#8211; like the related mail feature, or search feature, or chat with your buddy in the mail &#8211; this must have given a bang on the head of yahoo/MSN teams and so they too copied.tomorrow somebody will innovate more and improve the user experince. Idea is simple &#8211; let the user be free to do more thinking elsewhere &#8211; make system as simple as possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Support 2.0 by Sunil</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/03/24/self-support-20/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 03:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Venkat.

First of all I will like thanks for giving time to reply on my thoughts. 

- VC++/VB, I coded for about 4 years, and all my teams and collegues agreed in those years that the best help they ever got was always on MSDN,after pressing F1. In those days, Internet forums/sites provided few more example , just to allow us to negotiate on time or memory eaten up by various codes. 

- now I trains ERP system to end users. Sadly to say but somedays I feel its really a painful \&#039;change\&#039; for the end users. Those guys end up doing 100s of actions on a \&#039;highly integrated\&#039; systems (aka ERPs) which provide great output indeed, but at the cost of the pain felt at the users. eg. Oracle FA system - try to compare the number of steps you do depreciate 500 asstes in an ERP with PO,AP,Project,GL , FA systems in place with an excel-type system doing it in 1 or 2 formula. eg2. - compare the WinXP with the Unix V where you have to run an MP3 file copied on your pen drive - I bet you will love to do it 100 times again on XP. 

- Is there any module in Oracle/SAP/Siebel that says \</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Venkat.</p>
<p>First of all I will like thanks for giving time to reply on my thoughts. </p>
<p>- VC++/VB, I coded for about 4 years, and all my teams and collegues agreed in those years that the best help they ever got was always on MSDN,after pressing F1. In those days, Internet forums/sites provided few more example , just to allow us to negotiate on time or memory eaten up by various codes. </p>
<p>- now I trains ERP system to end users. Sadly to say but somedays I feel its really a painful \&#8217;change\&#8217; for the end users. Those guys end up doing 100s of actions on a \&#8217;highly integrated\&#8217; systems (aka ERPs) which provide great output indeed, but at the cost of the pain felt at the users. eg. Oracle FA system &#8211; try to compare the number of steps you do depreciate 500 asstes in an ERP with PO,AP,Project,GL , FA systems in place with an excel-type system doing it in 1 or 2 formula. eg2. &#8211; compare the WinXP with the Unix V where you have to run an MP3 file copied on your pen drive &#8211; I bet you will love to do it 100 times again on XP. </p>
<p>- Is there any module in Oracle/SAP/Siebel that says \</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Support 2.0 by S. Venkataramanan</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/03/24/self-support-20/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Venkataramanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sunil

Thanks for the interesting comment. I agree with you on that user friendly software is very important.

Talking about Excel/Word, you may end up simple concepts of Excel using the F1 technique. What about writing Macros? You will definitely search for help or use a book. Can you learn Visual Basic or Visual C++ using F1? Maybe. Why does a company make one product userfriendly and another non userfriendly? The key difference is that one product is simple other is complicated.

One of the key components of user friendlyness is simplicity. Make a software user friendly by keeping it enormously simple. Some companies have been very successful in doing this. For instance, Apple does not sell a product, it sells you an experience. User Friendlyness is no doubt a key component of Self Support 2.0. But, you can make a complex software userfriendly only to a certain extent. What beyond that? User friendlyness is also relative.

Oracle’s not only spends a lot of money on Support, but also make most of their revenue by providing support.

As of today, its not possible to build Self Support 2.0 into software through user friendlyness. But, when someone manages to do that, that would no doubt be the next big thing. Who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sunil</p>
<p>Thanks for the interesting comment. I agree with you on that user friendly software is very important.</p>
<p>Talking about Excel/Word, you may end up simple concepts of Excel using the F1 technique. What about writing Macros? You will definitely search for help or use a book. Can you learn Visual Basic or Visual C++ using F1? Maybe. Why does a company make one product userfriendly and another non userfriendly? The key difference is that one product is simple other is complicated.</p>
<p>One of the key components of user friendlyness is simplicity. Make a software user friendly by keeping it enormously simple. Some companies have been very successful in doing this. For instance, Apple does not sell a product, it sells you an experience. User Friendlyness is no doubt a key component of Self Support 2.0. But, you can make a complex software userfriendly only to a certain extent. What beyond that? User friendlyness is also relative.</p>
<p>Oracle’s not only spends a lot of money on Support, but also make most of their revenue by providing support.</p>
<p>As of today, its not possible to build Self Support 2.0 into software through user friendlyness. But, when someone manages to do that, that would no doubt be the next big thing. Who knows.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Support 2.0 by Sunil</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/03/24/self-support-20/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>support 2.0 or 1.0,,is nothing but a cool nomenclatures of the basic fundamentals of software engineering - user friendlyness. I think no web/google/forums etc etc can beat a well designed product with inbuilt help features. I never use internet based forums/google to learn something in excel/word. Press F1 and you have everything. 
 I am in Oracle for aslt 3 years and never ever I can understand their Help files. So they end up wasting millions in creating support professionls. Same goes for all so called \&#039;highly techinical\&#039; products.
- Chill..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>support 2.0 or 1.0,,is nothing but a cool nomenclatures of the basic fundamentals of software engineering &#8211; user friendlyness. I think no web/google/forums etc etc can beat a well designed product with inbuilt help features. I never use internet based forums/google to learn something in excel/word. Press F1 and you have everything.<br />
 I am in Oracle for aslt 3 years and never ever I can understand their Help files. So they end up wasting millions in creating support professionls. Same goes for all so called \&#8217;highly techinical\&#8217; products.<br />
- Chill..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Six Degrees of Separation 2.0 and Product Development 2.0 by virk</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/04/28/six-degrees-of-separation-20-and-product-development-20/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>virk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting and informative post.  It gave me new perspective how social networks can be used in corporate settings.  Excellent read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and informative post.  It gave me new perspective how social networks can be used in corporate settings.  Excellent read!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Support 2.0 by S. Venkataramanan</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. Venkataramanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.williamhertling.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;William Hertling&lt;/a&gt;

Thanks for this fantastic example. This perfectly compliments the central idea of my post. Your blog on Support 2.0 is very thought provoking and you will find me commenting there regularly.

By the way, I will try to do something to increase the comment length to save people trouble of splitting the posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ <a href="http://www.williamhertling.com/" rel="nofollow">William Hertling</a></p>
<p>Thanks for this fantastic example. This perfectly compliments the central idea of my post. Your blog on Support 2.0 is very thought provoking and you will find me commenting there regularly.</p>
<p>By the way, I will try to do something to increase the comment length to save people trouble of splitting the posts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self Support 2.0 by William Hertling</title>
		<link>http://venkat.techprotocol.in/tech/2008/03/24/self-support-20/comment-page-1/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>William Hertling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supposedly this was to take advantage of the premium support offered by the J2EE vendor. It was a typical enterprise agreement: we had a support contact, that contact funneled our support requests to the vendor, the vendor then funneled the requests to the appropriate support people then, and then they were supposed to get back to us. There was no searchable documentation, frequently asked questions, or forums. And no place to get help except the vendor.

The reality is that the help we used to find via Google in five minutes now took the vendor a day to turn around and get us an answer. And the help that used to take a few hours or overnight via Usenet newsgroups now took the vendor a week before they found someone of sufficient technical capability to be able to answer our question.

Our formerly passionate and dedicated team grew dissatisfied and unproductive. Instead of moving at web speed, we were forced to sit and wait days to be able to move forward. It was the single most unproductive change that could have been made: and the difference was all in the support model: open support versus closed support. Support 2.0 versus Support 1.0.

I have more stories like this and more information about Support 2.0 on my blog at &lt;a href=\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supposedly this was to take advantage of the premium support offered by the J2EE vendor. It was a typical enterprise agreement: we had a support contact, that contact funneled our support requests to the vendor, the vendor then funneled the requests to the appropriate support people then, and then they were supposed to get back to us. There was no searchable documentation, frequently asked questions, or forums. And no place to get help except the vendor.</p>
<p>The reality is that the help we used to find via Google in five minutes now took the vendor a day to turn around and get us an answer. And the help that used to take a few hours or overnight via Usenet newsgroups now took the vendor a week before they found someone of sufficient technical capability to be able to answer our question.</p>
<p>Our formerly passionate and dedicated team grew dissatisfied and unproductive. Instead of moving at web speed, we were forced to sit and wait days to be able to move forward. It was the single most unproductive change that could have been made: and the difference was all in the support model: open support versus closed support. Support 2.0 versus Support 1.0.</p>
<p>I have more stories like this and more information about Support 2.0 on my blog at &lt;a href=\</p>
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